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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

@evildictaitor:C is also the least common denominator in that pretty much every language out there can call into it without any major problem. That makes it ideal for libraries that need to be used by...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

For 99% of the typical software LOB, Web, Services etc .NET is plenty fast. Only in systems programming, embedded or number crunching do you need to drop down to C/C++.  I would always develop in the...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

All I know is, C++ code shared on the web looks like alien language. Much harder to utilize the community. When I look at C# sample, it just feels easy. It may also be my fault unable to translate...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

I suspect, and there have been various MS comments to suggest it might happen, that there will eventually be a WinRT target for desktop (non-Metro) applications.  That pretty much has to happen or...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

42 minutes ago,ScanIAm wrote*snip*I went to a post BUILD event last night and the same discussion was had there, too.  It seems to still be confusing even with the evidence on both sides.That said, if...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

@ScanIAm:BTW, completely off-topic (looking at your picture)...Did you know that the voice of Bender on Futurama is done by the same voice actor as Markus Fenix in Gears of War? Well at least I thought...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

2 days ago,AndyC wrote*snip*Interesting, I'm sure the opposite was said during the keynotes, but I'll take that as a more authorative resource. Still the majority of the really neat stuff like charms...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

8 hours ago,androidi wroteWhere does the safe C++ end and the C or unsafe concepts begin (as both can be in .cpp) - How can I tell which header has only C++ things in it (ignoring OS calls)? Are there...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

6 hours ago,Sven Groot wroteA few points:_tmain is not standard C++ What's in stdafx.h since you included all headers actually used by the program directly in the file?It doesn't do the same thing as...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

Where does the safe C++ end and the C or unsafe concepts begin (as both can be in .cpp) - How can I tell which header has only C++ things in it (ignoring OS calls)? Are there things I can't do without...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

@BitFlipper:I agree with you BitFlipper.  I programmed in C/C++ for many years.   The problem is that to move the language forward you go through a huge commitee.  Also,  you cannot undo what is...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

As it was brought up that my C hello world has little to do with C++, I'll go with some novice questions on that.(Safe might be defined here as a way of writing code which avoids the bugs commonly...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

I think the problem you are encountering here is that C is not really for user-mode applications. Sure you can use it, but C really comes into its own when you start saying things like "We've got this...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

I recently worked on an off-beat pet project where the idea is to convert a .Net app to something that can run natively on an ARM microcontroller (mainly to work around the fact that the .Net Micro...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

A few points:_tmain is not standard C++ What's in stdafx.h since you included all headers actually used by the program directly in the file? It doesn't do the same thing as the C# version or what...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

@androidi: using win32 console app project in VS2010: #include "stdafx.h" #include <iostream> #include <string> using namespace std; int _tmain(int argc, _TCHAR* argv[]) { string entry =...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

@androidi:  With all the talk of the C++ renaissance, why are you writing it in C?    Did you think it should make C programming easier as well?

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

50 minutes ago,felix9 wrote*snip*Yes they can.8:30 ~ 11:00 http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/BUILD/BUILD2011/PLAT-876Tand people has done that. http://ermau.com/using-winrt-from-net/Interesting, I'm sure...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

1 hour ago,AndyC wrote*snip*No they can't.Yes they can.8:30 ~ 11:00 http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/BUILD/BUILD2011/PLAT-876Tand people has done that. http://ermau.com/using-winrt-from-net/

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

I can read C++, port C++ code to other languages, and even assist in debugging C++ code, but never write anything in C++ beyond the level of elementary C++ class homework.So I won't pursue native...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

7 hours ago,W3bbo wrote*snip*I'm getting conflicting information about the nature of WinRT on non-metro applications. Can C++ applications consume WinRT for traditional desktop, console, and...

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variadic template for visual c++ is the 'Duke Nukem Forever' of Microsoft, the ultimate 'vaporware'

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8 minutes ago,JoshRoss wrote*snip*I remember hearing from one of STL's videos that the next version of VS would have veridic templates. Are you sure it's not just arriving in a later build? -JoshIn...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

49 minutes ago,Sven Groot wrote*snip*Too bad we're getting almost no new C++11 language features with VC11. VC10 already had auto and lambdas, but all that VC11 adds is scoped enums. No variadic...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

3 hours ago,Cream​Filling512 wroteAlso C++11 is yet another beast.  I'm pretty good with C++, although a bit rusty, but C++11 brings new keywords, syntax, operators, features and it's like a whole new...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

If anyone is now wondering how to read a line in C, here it is. *Probability that the "correct answers" are finally correct is... left to the readers rigorous analysis and memorization of relevant...

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@W3bbo:1 minute ago,W3bbo wrote*snip*So long as you don't do anything silly with pointers, you should be okay...right?My biggest problem with C++ is the libraries. Any language, no matter how backward...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

42 minutes ago,Frank Hileman wroteYou only have to look at the size of Stroustrup's "C++ Programming Language" to realize how complex it is.The biggest turn-off for me is debugging heap or stack...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

You only have to look at the size of Stroustrup's "C++ Programming Language" to realize how complex it is.The biggest turn-off for me is debugging heap or stack corruption.

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

It's Funny to me ...   way back when I learned C and Assembler and Basic and Pascal and COBOLthen Perl and other stuff  I saw the early C++ and i *NEVER* cared for it.I loved Clater I saw C# and it was...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

Also C++11 is yet another beast.  I'm pretty good with C++, although a bit rusty, but C++11 brings new keywords, syntax, operators, features and it's like a whole new language.

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

C++ is a very different beast to C#, even if it bares some resemblance to it via syntax.  C++ is a very difficult language to master.  It's one thing to be able to read it, it's another to write it and...

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Coffeehouse - A quick self-reminder why I did not pursue native development

With all the "reneissance" talk I wanted to see if I could do a hello world in C without consulting the web. This would mean reading arbitrary length line from console where the user might or might not...

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